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Coat of Arms - Order of the Couch



Much back-and-forth over at The Confusion Couch about a coat of arms, a motto, something that will represent our camaraderie and flights of fancy.

Bmonk has given us a crest to work with; his description: "Black shield with a white couch, and a jagged green border. Above the couch a gold star. Green = Pibgorn’s color for her world. Jagged border (“dancetty”) for the dance of the fairies, but also to indicate confusion. Black for the darkness of the confused surrounding the couch, and also for the faithfulness of the couch crew despite being in the dark. The gold star for the “favorites”, but also for the enlightenment that eventually comes to us."

I took the liberty of gussying it up a bit, with a cauldron for a helm, signifying all the good recipes we share, and Pib and Dru rampant, because I like to look at them. So there. No other reason. Motto: Omnes me confundit - "Everything confuses me".

Here's a place to gather together any and all suggestions. No sign-in is required to post a comment. No idea will be considered foolish, or too loony. Comments will be screened, however, and may take until the next morning to become visible if they are posted late in the evening.

Once we have something that everyone is either pleased with or can live with, I'm going to see what can be done about formalizing it.

Ready? Go!


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(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 05:40 am (UTC)
As mentioned at the Couch, the cauldron should be headwear, as you already know. BUT, if the cauldron's empty, it culd be turned upside down and used as a big hat. :)

Thanks for the place to gather heraldic ideas. I'll try to draw my thoughts and post here somehow??

Cheers,
Saskfan
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)
Upside-down cauldron as a helm. Nice idea! Hey, if Don Quixote can use a shaving basin and Johnny Appleseed a saucepan, why not a cauldron?

Edited at 2009-04-30 06:00 am (UTC)
The Hearaldry - (Anonymous) - Apr. 30th, 2009 11:45 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: The Hearaldry - ccdesan - Apr. 30th, 2009 04:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
The Coat Of Arms
I like it...I like it!
From O.B.
(AKA Vic.)
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 08:42 am (UTC)
Coat of Arms
Story Teller, here. May I suggest instead the motto "Always confused." Semper Confundit...? Or perhaps "It's all so confusing." Don't have my latin book handy for that one. I'd kind of like to see at least one of my squirrels, but that's not a deal breaker. The green border could be scaled back a touch, otherwise what you have is grand! Did you try having the gals backing the shield instead of facing it?
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Coat of Arms
Did the girls facing out first, it doesn't look bad either way. Looked at "real" coats and usually the Lion and the Unicorn - for example - are facing the crest. Either/or... whatever folks like best.
Re: Coat of Arms - inshadowz - Apr. 30th, 2009 09:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Coat of Arms - ccdesan - Apr. 30th, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 12:31 pm (UTC)
Very pretty (especially the ...um... "ramparts")

But the Latin is wrong. The plural subject and singular verb do not agree. Correct is either:
Omnis me confundit (singular, Everything confuses me)
or
Omnes me confundunt (plural, All things confuse me)

(Though I suppose letting it stet could imply that Latin and/or grammar are among those things which confuse?)
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
In the back of my mind I had a feeling that the latin was punk - Exeunt omnes was shouting at me, saying "It's plural, you cretin!", but I was too tired to go look it up. "Omnis" is correct, of course, and thanks. I think the singular is probably better for this particular motto - others may invent something that is even better!
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 01:21 pm (UTC)
Gilding perfection
Very nice.

When I saw the post, my first thought was to have only the left side of the Couch clear, the right side fading off into smoke in the shape of a question mark. Fading off, because all know that the Couch is infinitely extensible, embracing even skulkers like the insignificant speck that is my humble self; and into smoke like a question mark to denote the confusion into which some enter at the door, and in which some of us perpetually wander ...

Not to gild [no I did not say geld!] the lily, but those were my first thoughts, before seeing the Old Wolf's most artistic design above.

[Any relation to Akela?]

jsdy
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Gilding perfection
I love the concept of a couch fading off into the mists of confusion... don't know how that would look, but it's an imaginative idea...
sleepyjohn00
Apr. 30th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
What, no chequy frog?
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)
Careful, dude, I'll bend a gules around your rampant sable...
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
Cauldron as helm
Cauldrons need not be inverted to be worn as headgear. There is precedent.

http://www.sfmoma.org/images/artwork/large/2001.88.127_01_b02.jpg

jsdy
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Cauldron as helm
Love it!
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 02:54 pm (UTC)
Pardon my intrusion. While not a formal couch member, I have taken some voyeuristic pleasure from the posted conversations. You might considered me the lurker in the back garden with his nose against the glass. If you would permit me a minor suggestion with regard to the shield; perhaps a division - party per bend sinister (of course) - with the upper tincture Vert (Pibby's colours) and the lower Gules (for Dru.)
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:37 pm (UTC)
Don't stand out there in the rain, friend, pedo mellon a minno! You mean something like this?

OTC Heraldry - (Anonymous) - Apr. 30th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OTC Heraldry - inshadowz - Apr. 30th, 2009 09:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: OTC Heraldry - ccdesan - Apr. 30th, 2009 09:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 03:07 pm (UTC)
further thoughts and observations
@ccdesan, I like the supporters and motto for the crest, but I agree that we should have a helm of some kind, or possibly a coronet, with the cooking crock as a crest. After all, we should be a proper Order, even if we are confuseled or comfounded or whatever. And I do like Saskfan's description of the bordure with dancetty orle, though I might suggest a tressure (thinner version), for a blazon thus:

Sable a couch argent, in chief a mullet or, with a tressure dancetty argent bordured vert. (Did I get that right, Saskfan?)

And I don't get uptight about the sizes--my sketch was just that, a first, rough effort with poor tools. I think the border is too wide and the charges (couch/star) too small, but they were what I had to get the effect.

Bmonk, Instigator
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:04 pm (UTC)
Re: further thoughts and observations
@Bmonk: I agree that we need a helm of some sort, but I haven't a clue what would be appropriate. Let's think a bit.



Nah. Traditional, but not relevant. Waitaminnit! We've got several options that might work:







Edited at 2009-04-30 06:05 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
OTC Heraldry
I like colors/signification and simplicity. The choice of girls, GREAT. Excellent Motto. I know everything has a meaning including the direction. What if the girls had their backs to the shield? What would that indicate?
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:42 pm (UTC)
Re: OTC Heraldry
You're the second to suggest the girls facing outward - I don't know if it would have meaning or not. As I said, I tried it both ways at first, and I liked this version - and this is just me - because of the way the... um... well... "legs", embraced the crest. It seemed more... "intimate".
Re: OTC Heraldry - inshadowz - Apr. 30th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 03:28 pm (UTC)
Hmm..
Since the couch is Escherian, how about a Mobius strip with pillows instead of the central sofa? (I have no idea how to say that in heraldic language) - Jcordaro64
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Hmm..
Heh. To describe that, I think you'd have to get Mark Twain involved with his peculiar brand of heraldic imagery. Could one design a couch as a tesseract? Or a Klein bottle? What would a three-dimensional projection of a fourth-dimensional couch look like? Hmm...
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)
Cookpot or Fedora or?
This is what I posted before I saw the link.
I like Pib and Dru on the sides looks very elegant!
Since there has been diverse commentary the heraldic device… cookpot, fedora… seems to me since this is about the couch and all we do not what happens in the comic. that a chefs hat would be more appropo for us considering the about of interest we have in combustibles. But I really wish the couch could be drawn M.C. Escher style! Not that I could do it, just the idea of it makes me smile.
I know nothing about this sort of thing, but in the school of art 'I know what I like' I don't like that there is a big blank space under the couch... maybe if it was a MCEscher couch it would be diminished, but barring that maybe we need a couple of squirrels or lurkers there.......LOL
ToniAnne - who is not in the mood to create an account...need a good new name.
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Cookpot or Fedora or?
Chef's hat... not a bad idea. See bmonk's comment above, and my reply, for a few options - we could try a chef's toque, too, if you like.

Other thoughts?
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:11 pm (UTC)
Couch Crest
I like where the girls are sort of facing each other. A duet on stage would have them closer together, facing out to the audience, as they are here. The cauldron may work as a hat but, goshdarnit, hungry couchers demand a "full" pot. Far off fading couch w/? mark. Sounds intriguing. As far as the couch itself goes I feel that it needs perhaps; lines of a different color or a pattern; a contrast of sorts as I wouldn't readily recognize it as a couch if I didn't already know that it is. By comparison; the girls are very recognizable as women and the pot appears to hold its own, also. "Everything confuses me", "I'm always confused" or something close works for me. Dad'll perk up when he sees it. (Did some time at Columbia U. in the early 50s, Catholic grade school also) When I write to where *smart* people will see it, I feel as though I'm going to be graded for spelling and punctuation. Got heavy welding gloves on in case the ruler comes out...
This shouldn't be too normal. After all.. the strip isn't *AND* it should maintain a humor.

Gweedo
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Couch Crest
Gweedo, see the options above under bmonk's post - a few helms that might work. I think we're all agreed that the design could use some tweaking, as you said to make the couch more visible/recognizable. I'm liking the idea of some extra-dimensional seating arrangement... let's see what else falls out when we shake the tree.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
Couch Crest
On the changing headgear samples. The fedora has the best comic appeal.

Gweedo
(Anonymous)
Apr. 30th, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)
Herldic Phuddy-duddy
I love the general idea but, being a heraldry geek, I have to point out one really big boo-boo (at least if it wants to be "proper" heraldry.
There is an ancient rule of contrasts: no light on light or dark on dark. In heraldry "sable, a bordure vert" would never be allowed as they are both "dark". the only two "light" tinctures are argent and or, white and gold.
So make the bordure yellow (or white) and all is groovy. And the comment earlier about the bordure being narrower was a good one.
I really likes the idea of the fedora as a "crown".
ccdesan
Apr. 30th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Herldic Phuddy-duddy
Excellent comments. Striking an acceptable balance between official heraldry and outright whimsy will be the task of the Order of the Couch. On the other hand, an official crest would never permit a fedora as a helm, either.

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